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To Any of the Fanfiction Writers I May Have Offended With My Last Entry: I am sorry.  I’m sorry that I overgeneralized, that I made sweeping, arrogant statements about the quality of your work.  I’m sorry I drove you to flaming and abuse.  I’m sorry that derivative appears to mean “carte blanche to regurgitate.”  I’m sorry that what others call Character Derailment you call Character Development.  I’m sorry that you’re forced to stuff parody and reimaginings under the fanfiction umbrella in an attempt to give your beloved genre a sense of legitimacy.  I’m sorry that tie-in novels are largely printed as mass market paperbacks.  (You know, the kind of pulp paper that yellows after three years, instead of the kind of stuff hardback releases are made out of.)  I’m sorry that Wicked by Gregory Maguire was not fostered in a fanfiction environment, but rather a literary academia that demanded original prose.  I’m really sorry that I misrepresented the Internet, that paragon of stern, mature reality, which in no way fosters disproportionate delusions of talent or lack thereof; and which certainly does not threaten the delicate ego of an emerging young writer by offering hyperbolic praise and/or vitriolic scorn in large doses.  Because, after all, fanfiction abides by those two incomparable, golden ideals: Don’t Deny, and All Ostracism Is Bad;  therefore, every fanfiction writer is an Ideal Reader for all fanfiction and can critique without bias of any sort.  (Because I sure know that when I’m writing my YA urban fantasy, I want a historical fiction Ideal Reader.)  I deeply, deeply apologize for expressing my opinion on my own blog.  Shame on me.

1.  The biggest dent a book will ever leave in a wall will be due to a Dues ex Machina. For those that don’t know, the term translates literally to “god out of the machine” and hearkens back to when Greek plays often rolled out mechanical contraptions from which Zeus or Hera would emerge to solve all the heroes’s problems.  This was an acceptable narrative device during that time.  It is not now.  A dues ex machina comes in many disguises, most often as something completely unrelated and never foreshadowed coming in to solve the hero’s problem for them. And if you don’t think they exist nowadays, that no one would be stupid or clumsy enough to use it, even by accident: you haven’t been reading any Dean Koontz lately.  The dictionary defines it as: a seemingly inextricable problem suddenly and abruptly solved with the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new character, ability, or object.  This happens in new writing so much it’s just kind of scary (and when you get crap like Darkest Evening of the Year and Breathless it just gets so much worse, especially when they’re hardbacks.)  Even Aristotle, who lived during the time when it was an accepted practice, complained that the resolution of the plot must come internally, from the character or the plot.  That means plot-driven novels can’t have a dues ex machina, either.  How to avoid a dues ex machina?  Knowing what foreshadowing is helps.  If you have a pegasus sweep in to save the hero, and you’ve at least mentioned it before, it’s not so bad.  But if the pegasus punches out Voldemort when the hero has spent 250 pages steeling himself for the confrontation, I can promise you that it won’t matter how often you foreshadowed that pegasus.  The hero solves his own problem, period.  The internal and the external problem.  I realize stories are made of contrived coincidences that never happen in real life, but if you want something that resonates with your reader, you’d at least better try to acknowledge that triumph comes from perseverance and strength of will, not winning the lottery. I’ve got a hell of an example from my favorite punching bag: in Paolini’s Eldest, Eragon’s crippling back problems are solved by a mysterious, unexplainable magical thing that no one had ever seen before or since.  I have a six-inch titanium rod in my spine and chronic back problems.  Imagine my reaction.  Go on.  I dare you. I had to get someone else to throw it for me ... because, you know, I have a bad back.

2. Do not have an anti-climax; you will get punched. Ah, Stephanie Meyer.  Where would I be without your magnificent example in Breaking Dawn?  Here’s the setup: the big bad authority/government vampires, the Volturi, have shown up to kill Bella’s sweet little halfbreed vampire babeh.  They are an unstoppable army of epic badasses.  Bella’s group has proven themselves to be quite the scrappers in the previous book: fighting off an army of newborn vampires with their werewolf allies.  “Awww, yeah”, right?  I mean, this setup is about to go all Scott Pilgrim on the reader: an epic epic of epicness, right?  No.  Wrong.  There’s a diplomatic discussion.  That’s right.  You came for vampire war and got formal debate.  This is the anti-climax.  Again, the anti-climax was a legitimate narrative tool in earlier times; not so much in contemporary times.  If it is present intentionally, it’s often played for humor (Monty Python and The Holy Grail.)  It is also possible for an anti-climax to be used effectively, usually in stories that involve a “sadder but wiser” message.  As Joseph Campbell put it, if the hero does not learn his lesson, he’s doomed to the journey all over again.  (And the audience is the one stuck learning the lesson.)  Not all anti-climaxes are accidents, though, which is what makes them so aggravating.  Killing major antagonists offscreen (Hey, Twilight, good to see you referenced again!) or resorting to a dues ex machina of some sort is a good way to get an anti-climax.

3.  A denouement ties up loose ends. That’s pronounced “day-noo-mah” for those who don’t know.  This is the last bit of the story that occurs after the climax.  The hero shakes hands with his companions or muses over the lessons he’s learned, rides off into the sunset, whatever.  The movie Lord of the Rings trilogy had a long denouement; I remember every time the screen faded to black people in the theater kept standing up because they thought it was over.  Most of the time, the subplots are tied up here, romantic tension is resolved, the hero finds his place and all is well with the world.  (Or to get all Campbell on the situation, the Hero dispenses his Elixir.)  I think since so many new writers can’t even conceive of finishing anything, the denouement is the last thing on their mind.  I’ve even seen some people try and resolve everything before the climax, which is okay if done right.  IF DONE RIGHT.  Take a guess how often that happens with new writers.  Or, ahem, with the old ones who should really know better, Mr. Koontz. Notice that an unhappy ending is not the same as a bad ending.  A bad ending it when you suck at showing us all the fallout from the hero’s journey and revelation.  An unhappy ending is when the hero doesn’t live happily ever after.  If you have things that you can’t resolve before the climax, leave them for the denouement.  Especially if Cindy’s confession of love is going to wreck your rising action.  Odds are your reader won’t care; they want to know of the bomb is going to go off and kill everybody or whatever.

4.  Begin with the ending. I wonder how many people do this.  I really do.  Especially the comic writers here on DA.  Until I know how things are going to end, I don’t start my story.  Of course, that’s me, and not everybody works that way.  But I think too many people don’t start with even the vaguest idea of how things end, and strike off into the unknown completely unprepared.  And then when they stuck in the snarls of writer’s block or plot knots, they complain.  You wouldn’t plan a hiking trip like this; why would you plan a writing project longer than a short story this way?  Even the writers that write with the “sit down at the keyboard and see what happens” approach probably have at the very least an inkling of their ending.  Having an ending in mind becomes your north star, a point by which you can navigate.  You can go all over the everywhere, tumble down wherever you want and do whatever you want, but that ending point is the place you can always turn for home.  There is something to be said for spontaneity.  I won’t deny that.  But when it becomes carte blanche for you to whatever you want without serving the story’s end result, you’re missing the point.

5. The ending that you don’t agree with is not a bad ending. There are lots of endings out there.  To me, a “bad ending” is not the same as an “unhappy ending.”  Now, I hate unhappy endings.  A lot.  They drive me up the wall.  I find myself wailing about how life sucks enough without having to be reminded of it in my literature.  Sometimes, like in the case of Animorphs or The Bartimaeus Trilogy, I will finish the series and never pick up to reread no matter how long they might sit on my shelves.  Beause I know that heart-ripping ending is just waiting for me.  (In the case of Animorphs, it was for about 5 years before I gave them away;  Bartimaeus is going on about two years.)  Other stories, like His Dark Materials, end on such a heartbreaking note that it actually improves the story, even though it still counts as an unhappy ending.  A “bad ending” is stuff like dues ex machina, or a shoot the shaggy dog scenario where the whole trip was pointless, an ending whose mood fails to fit with the rest of the tone of the story (super happy tale, gut-wrenchingly sad ending, etc.), or
feels tacked on, dropped, and generally forgotten about.  Endings are just as, if not more, important than beginning.  Recently, the fantastic Mockingjay of The Hunger Games received massive blowback from YA readers because it (brace yourself) shunted the romance storyline to the B plot.  Teenagers were outraged, because they wanted more romance.  (Apparently forgetting that the entire series was intended to be a sociopolitical commentary about violence in the first place.) Adult readers, on the other hand, didn’t have the same problem, and were in fact more likely to praise the series.  A good ending serves the story, even if it fails to serve the sensibilities and desires of the reader.  After all, it’s your story.  If they want
a better one, they can go write it themselves.  And probably will.  On the Internet.  ;)
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LeighAD Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014
I don't know how a writer can not know the ending. If you have a conflict or character goal (which you should have before you start writing Chapter One or else the story is aimless) the ending will reflect the outcome of the conflict. Hopefully you had an internal conflict or lesson to be learned as well (growth/lesson learned = protag wins, refusal to change = protag fails utterly). 

Although, Twilight probably got its plot that way: Bella and Edward drool over each other for 85% of the book until random evil vampire shows up and wants to kill Bella for the evulz so Edward and family kill him. Followed by more drooling over each other's hotness. Because, after all, you should only date hot guys with supernatural strength. Pretty sure Jacob became a werewolf just so he'd have a chance to compete with Edward. 

Good stuff by the way. Death to deus ex machina! Tragic endings can be good from a technical standpoint, but I need an ending the protagonist could be happy with (specified protagonist because what the audience wants may not be what the protagonist wants, and I want the protagonist to be happy. They may be happy giving up their wealth to be with the love of their life, save their family member, or learn to love themselves and not need a significant other to feel fulfilled - good way to piss off readers). Can work for martyrdom stories too assuming their death accomplishes the goal.
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DasTenna Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2011
"You wouldn’t plan a hiking trip like this; why would you plan a writing project longer than a short story this way?"

Me thinks that people who aren´t able to think ONE thing through, show the same "abilities" when it comes to other things.
Hope my English isn´t too bad O_o
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Tyrannosaur17 Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wait...

I mean absolutely no harm by this, and if I inflict it anyway, I am so sorry. Please forgive me.

I get most of your complaints about Deus Ex Machina and Endings, and couldn't agree more. But why do you point out your reaction to Eragon's healing as if your tragic back problem invalidated it? Maybe it's just the way it's worded, but it sounds like you hate what happens to Eragon partially because he got healed, and (sadly) you haven't. Again, I could be wrong, but honestly it sounds like you're going after Paolini for not taking your feelings about injured backs into consideration.

So Eragon happens to benefit from a (top secret, only-for-dragon-riders) magical ritual that, among many other modifications to his body, heals any injured tissue, I guess to keep him in top physical condition to perform the duties of a dragon rider. I can't see that as a full Deus Ex, for it only gets rid of the back pain after it has served its purpose in the novel and ends up not being a major part of his character's development (except he won't be whining about back pains for the next two and a half books). Once in a while, heroes will find unexpected benefits from the events in their stories.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2011
Plato and Socrates both complained about Dues ex Machina, saying that the resolution of the hero's problems should arise naturally from his strength of character and plot elements. We got got no new insight into Eragon for his back problem, except, as you pointed out, that all he did was whine about it. It didn't make him a better person, it didn't awaken compassion for cripples, fire him with a zeal to help (or even heal, which he could, with his magic!) the disabled, or make sure that they had as many civil rights as the able-bodied. (And if he had, it wouldn't have fit with the theme of his story.) It was not part of his character arc (and a lot of stuff that happens randomly in Inheritance isn't) and served no purpose in the grand scheme of the story. Except, perhaps, to show that fate makes exceptions for people like Eragon, but not for the average man (like, for example, the people Eragon strangles in Brisingr, or the people reading his book) Yes, what a lovely, lovely sentiment to take from a story; thanks, Paolini!
Not 'a "full" dues ex ' sounds like a flimsy excuse. There are plenty other book out there that don't even approach Duez Ex; so why bother with one that flirts with it? If not outright ticks its tongue down its throat? I'm allowed to get pissed at Paolini's stupidity; I'm a reader and I owe nothing. That I have a had bad back was just the icing on the cake for that particular flub of his.
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Tyrannosaur17 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
All right, all right! Sorry I asked.

So you don't think the eucatastrophe has a place in fantasy, even if it's in a smaller form like a healing?
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Droemar Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2011
Considering that the phrase was coined by the father of modern fantasy, Tolkien himself, it obviously has to have a place. However, the fundamental difference is that a eucatastrophe fits within the established framework of the story. Eragon's back was healed by a denizen/spirit that no one could explain. NO ONE. Not even the elf queen or his dragon had seen it before. Paolini could've tried pulling something out of his ass, like "The healing spirits of forest dragons went to sleep when the last true hero/Rider died, and now they have awakened again!" But he didn't.
Eucatastrophe courts a fine line, since the cynical are inclined to declare it a dues ex machina. I see the nuance of it, however and there is a difference. The maid Rapunzel wept on her lover's eyes and brought back his sight in the original tale; Tangled does a distinct eucatastrophic nod to it at the end of the movie. However, since it was already established that her hair had healing properties, it wasn't too much of a leap to accept that her whole body had healing energies (because the framework was established.) That's the difference between a eucatastrophe and what Paolini pulled.
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Tyrannosaur17 Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Granted, I think Paolini would have been much wiser to offer some sort of explanation for the ritual before "Eldest" had finished, instead of talking about ant colonies for fifteen pages. No argument there.

But maybe I'm just trying to be patient and see if he will give some explanation in the final book, whenever it comes out. Again, no good reason to leave the explanation out of the second book, but better late than never.

As long as the series is not finished, I'm just unwilling to treat the healing as something he used as plot hole spackle and forgot about. Time alone will tell.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2011
The Author Saving Throws that happen in Brisingr are proof that Paolini really hasn't thought that far ahead. I mean, his screwed up his own magical language and spent two books trying to fix it. For everything he manages to fix, hand wave, or explain, he neglects things like not making Eragon a sociopath who strangles soldiers instead of mindwiping them.
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Tyrannosaur17 Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
An excellent point.

Nevertheless, I am worried that you seem so keen on blasting him at every given chance. Why do you even *need* a punching bag? Sure, use the series to tell readers what not to do, but don't pour acid down its throat.

So Christopher Paolini got a greater deal of success and attention than he earned as a storyteller. It's not the end of the world, and frankly, going after the series half as vehemently as you have, years after their publication, doesn't convince me that you want to nurture budding authors if the mistakes-to-success ratio is "too high".

Please do me a favor, Droemar: I'm trying hard to avoid sloppy storytelling in my books, but I may overlook something by accident. If I do, and you are reading it, please do not throw it against a wall.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011
I like to hate Paolini. It's fun. Besides, it's not like any of my pithy snarking makes a dent in the mattress of money he sleeps on, the adulation of his fans, or the 500,000 print release Brisingr broke records with.
And if I may say so, you'd be hard-pressed to top the thing that made me throw Eldest against a wall. If you did manage to top it, the throwing would be well-deserved.
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Lupinator Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2010
Fwaaaah... I somehow deleted the beginning of that above comment. I was asking you what your opinion on open endings were.
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Lupinator Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2010
Either an ending that seems to lead into what appears to be a new beginning to something far greater (yanno, like "WILL THERE BE A SEQUAL OR NOT? OMG). Or, the ones where a character is perhaps given a choice and the end of the story, and the story suddenly ends before that choice/conflict is decided and it's up to the reader to predict what might have become of the incident (perhaps based on the readers thoughts, perceptions, and feelings of the character). Or, the ones that just kinda end with something like a nuclear bomb going off, or whatever; basically, you can probably assume what happens next, but you don't really know.

From what I've gathered, some people love those types of ending, thinking they are by far the most profound and impacting, while others are completely repulsed by it. Personally, I can flip flop on it. To me, the one true thing I hate in artwork is when I feel that the artist was lazy or copped out somewhere. And, I think some open endings are exactly like that. The writer built everything up too much and the conflict has layered itself on too thickly that they actually write themselves into an artist block because they have no idea how to fix the mess they've created. Solution: YOU DECIDE. k

This is more of an opinion based question for you btw than any kind of advice thing. I'm just asking preference.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2010
I don't mind the And The Adventure Continues type of ending. I'm a sucker for happy endings, and a very bad ending can sometimes ruin a whole series for me. As Charles Darwin said once, there should be a law against sad endings.
I think Ass Pull endings always suck, no matter what. So yeah, any endings like that I hate, even if it is a happy one.
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Lupinator Featured By Owner Dec 21, 2010
I'm kind of a bittersweet person myself.

Happy endings are wonderful, don't get me wrong, I always find myself wanting one when I read, but they also don't impact me as greatly either. Or, in my own work, they don't resonate with me as an artist or writer, meaning I don't really relate to everything working out perfectly in the end, so I find it hard to display it in my own work. Artwork isn't very good escapism for, as horrible as that is, I treat it more as a parallel to life.

More so, I usually have endings where the character(s) achieves what they set out for in the end, but perhaps find out it wasn't what they really hoped for or wanted. Or, maybe something like the ending in Pan's Labrynth. That's got to be my favorite live action movie to date I think.

But, now I'm just conversing and not really making any point. Thanks for your input.
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Kaljaia Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2010
I knew, on November 2nd, that I wouldn't break 10,000 words again on my Nano story because, by then, I still didn't have an ending. A climax, yes, but not an ending. If I can't end the story with everything in bow, I wander all over and run out of steam. Glad I'm not the only one.

Now, of course, I do have an ending, but I'm about two weeks late for that. Oh well, December is coming and with it a month-long break.

Love the first paragraph :P You always say what the rest of us are too lazy, too shy, or too guilty to say ourselves.
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Adreago Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2010
I'm a teen too, and I loved Mockingjay's ending. Except for Prim... but that made it less happy, making the ending better in my opinion. I think that happy endings are nice when reading the book, but they don't seem to stick like sad endings. The Outsiders had a sad ending, but so many people remember it from years and years after they read it.
I love your posts, and this one, especially the first paragraph, kept making me laugh! Thanks~
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DracoFlameus Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
:laughing: When I first began to read the top paragraph, I was thinking "Is she actually going to feel bad about herself over her last entry and stoop so low as to appologize to her haters for expressing her feelings in her own journal?" I see now that you're not. =D

Anyways, the rest of this entry is very informative. I really enjoy reading your entries because I always learn something useful from them. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
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Aen-Riv Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
Thanks for points #4 & #5. #4 is especially helpful, be it the dreaded fanfiction or original writing.
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whisperpntr Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
I consider myself pretty massochistic at times but that said, I will never have the ability or patience to read through a full page of Meyer without wanting to rip the whole thing to shreds. When I knew she made vampires sparkle I ran away, far far away from her series screaming in the process. So you definitely get my vote for patience and imo masochism (since you are intelligent enough to see the enormous flaws in her writing) rolled into one package just for getting through Breaking Dawn.

Anyways, good plots aren't difficult to create. Take every cliche, every convenient plot device out there and avoid it like the plague. Then spend time, and I mean A LOT OF TIME, researching, writing, and editing something that gives you and your readers a lot of satisfaction.

As for the flamers, I've been flamed for everything from my beliefs on what childsafe-gallery means, to an online game graphical edit. I clearly preface every journal with something akin to "This is my opinion and it can proven or dis-proven yet I have the right to state my beliefs and continue believing in them. I respect your opinions and hope you respect mine.". Despite this, what I say still doesn't go over well with some people who believe that what I say is the absolute gospel or applies directly to them.

What I lul at the most are those who believe they're on the moralistic high ground and you are the evil one just because you posted some negative viewpoints. Anyone too illiterate, stupid or lazy to understand that these are just opinions are usually not worth my time or worth only a nice BBQ roasting.
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whisperpntr Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
*child-safe gallery

There are other grammar/spelling issues but meh.
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krystle-tears Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Professional Interface Designer
Apology accepted.

Don't ever do it again.
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Lit-Twitter Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
Chirp, it's been twittered. :)
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SilvaBellz Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010  Hobbyist Photographer
Your apology to fanfic writers made me laugh. A lot. Honestly, a lot of your dry, sarcastic humor amuses me. Your writing tips are incredibly helpful, I definitely keep them in mind whenever I get a chance to write. You obviously know what you're talking about (It's obvious just from reading these that you're a good writer), and I really appreciate that you're willing to share it with anyone who cares to listen, even if you get flamed for it sometimes.
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knittingknots Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Deus ex machina -the god in the machine, not dues....just an FYI, and yeah, as a rule of thumb, they suck.
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alectryomachy Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
You didn't really mention much about denouement other than what it does. Do you suggest using it or not?

Personally I dislike denouements because they often irritate me more than the fade-to-black or sudden ending approach. Harry Potter 7 was a great example of hair-rippingly bad denouement for me; I wanted to yell and stomp on things at the ridiculous '7 years later everyone has babies lololol' ending.

Also, what's the difference between denouement and epilogue?
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whisperpntr Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010
I also can't stand denouements, aka the most over-used, most cliche-prone element of any story written today.
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alectryomachy Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2010
Yeah, the fact that they just skip straight to LALALA HAPPY TIEM NAO kind of ruins the fun for me. I like realism in my stories, and while I don't particularly enjoy tragedies or anything sad, I have problems if the story hops from grimdark to flowers and unicorns all for the sake of wrapping up an ending that was better left to the reader's imagination.
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whisperpntr Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2010
lol lalala happy time!

What I rarely see in stories are the lifestyles after the happy ending. I'm not talking about "everyone has a baby now" type lifestyle, but after the war what do the characters actually do? What is their day to day lifestyle, their normal level of functioning when there is no crisis? Good writing is when you can tell the reader what happens and still hold their attention. But usually writers take the easy way out and not include that aspect.

I also like endings that drop off or tease and make the viewer want to know what happens. It is also a good litmus test to see if people really ARE interested enough to know what will happen next.

Take Incredibles. I do want to know what happens next and I want to see Mr. Incredible's handling of new villains. Even if it's just for an episode or two I wanted to see more.
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alectryomachy Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2010
Yeah! I mean, what would happen to that plucky farmboy if he survived a bunch of massacres, saw a shitload of atrocities, and ended up having to be the one to shove the knife into the villain's heart? Even if that villain is a shitsmear of a human being, he's still a bleeding, breathing human. That farmboy is going to be one scarred kid after that war ends, and even if he does end up married to his love interest, I'm sure he'll be living a pretty troubled life if he keeps waking up from nightmares about the murders that he witnessed/committed, even if they were for a good cause.

But of course fantasy has to sugarcoat it, and so we get mentally inept characters who can jump straight to sex immediately after the fight is done. PTSD? Suicide? Guilt? Not in my world! Let's go make some babies!

One of the reasons why I clung to my copy of Genghis: Birth of an Empire and it's sequels was because the author was so damn good at making you want it. There are probably loads of books about warlords trolling nations for lulz and gold, but Genghis is awesome because it makes you love him - not despise him - and really shapes out the humanity of his actions. He is portrayed with flaws, has his own share of a tragic background, but instead of being an emo kid about it, he gets up and does shit to make it better. The whole story is epic win, even down to the characters that the author makes you hate.
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Droemar Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
I liked how HP ended. After everything they went through, it was nice to see them earn their happy ending. I am a happy ending sucker, though, so my love is someone else's hair-ripper.
In a short story, I don't think denouement is necessary. In novels, they might be, but it's one of those Your Mileage May Vary. If you as the author feel it serves the story, then use it.
As far as I know, an epilogue is a type of denouement. Specifically one used more in plays by the strictest definition, since it's supposed to be the last speech a character makes, and it's addressed towards the audience. In books, an epilogue stands by itself and there may be a time skip/where are they now summary. Epilogue does appear to be a thespian label for denouement.
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alectryomachy Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
I just couldn't deal with the 'most brilliant witch of her age' marrying Ron of all people. And the names, oh god, no.

Ah, well thank you for the clarification. It definitely makes sense since monologue and dialogue are both play terms. I can't believe I never noticed, haha.

I kind of like it when books pander off into the distance like a mysterious old man. I like to imagine what happens after, whether it is a good or bad ending. When books 'pander' like that it's usually a neutral end, like they solved their problem but there aren't any unicorns popping up to start singing yet.
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RedVioletPanda Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010   Digital Artist
Well then I'm glad I didn't read the fanfiction journal. But you shouldn't be so down on yourself, however, I do not have much for people who make too much of a broad assumption on things. Everyone has an opinion, not be so down on yourself when you have to express yours.

First off, I'm pretty okay with Deus Ex Machina, unless it's done stupidly (which occurs a lot more often than not). There are very, very few examples I would put up, but I feel it would a waste of time. Oh and one of them was Monty Python and the Holy Grail. The original ending was going to be either the knights finding the Holy Grail in Herrod's or having flocks of swallows dropping coconuts upon the French army.

But I have a hate for anti-climax. It's one of the things that got me during The Return of the King, and it's one of the things that also got me during reading the book. When will it end? You have to put through a kind of complete and utter ending, and this is a problem I find that happens a lot in sequals, film and novels. The problem I find is that film-makers and writers alike tend to think of the sequal the middle part of a bridge between the first and last movie, rather than a bridge that keeps the two parts conected.

And endings. I try to visual how the ending will be like before I start the comic. I have been thinking up that before I start on this comic I should be working on right now.
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Starhorse Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional General Artist

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Droemar Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
Heh. Can't do the anime cut, can ya?
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Starhorse Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2010  Professional General Artist
I came all ready and everything.
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TheAntimonyElement Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Wonderful as always. I will add a "+1" to point 4, as as far as I'm concerned the ending should be the most important part of the story. You start out at point A with a single rope, so to speak; a collection of different plot elements. This splits up into plot threads that tangle and twist and meander their way through your story. But they had BETTER all end up as a single rope again by the end. You can start braiding things together gradually, or you can have a big giant knot at the climax, but unless you know where you're going they'll never get back together in a meaningful and beautiful way. :3 Oook, I took that metaphor too far. XD Thanks for yet another great collection!
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felineflames Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Your last point brings up a huge pet peeve of mine; the Too Perfect Ending. I like endings that feel somewhat real. Relationships don't always work, not everyone survives the Final Epic Battle, or that one bad guy you thought would turn good doesn't quite make it to redemption. I may not LIKE it when my favorite character takes a spear to the chest 20 pages to the end, but hey. It's not my brainchild.

It always strikes me as a huge rookie error when the denouement suddenly has everyone paired off happily (often without a single hint of romance in the entire book), everyone has riches piled into their laps, the hero is unanimously elected King of the Everything or something, and there will ever be any problems again, EVER. That makes me crazy!

Seeing people moaning over stories that don't end in a perfect, sparkly happy rainbow make me just as crazy. Life is boring when everything always works exactly how you want it.
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FablePaint Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Filmographer
So teenagers shouted "MORE PORN!" and people were surprised?
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OmniWitch Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Writer
I'm always worried about fizzling out at the ending. It might look wonderful in my head, but once on paper it looks so measly. Ugh.
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KreepingSpawn Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
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qorter Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
OMG so I actually enjoyed the fanfiction rant last time, and I enjoyed your apology even more. Ah so much amusement. You're awesome. I learn a lot, and completely agree with just about everything, plus you ragged on Twilight, which makes you even higher on the awesome list. *thinks that if my lit teacher read this stuff she'd automatically love you* It's all about how you prove your point! Why yes, you do prove it, and at the same time provide entertainment for me! So thanks!
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Twilights-Pain Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Ahaha, Twilight. No kidding. . . That ending was the WORST ending I ever came across... (in the way that you define bad endings. I've read some unhappy ones that I've hated too.. D:) Anyways, fantastic advice. Couldn't agree more with the Ending bit. I've always had the line "Begin with the End in mind" In my head when I attempt to write stories....

I do have a question though. You mention the sudden appearance of abilities being Dues Ex Machina. Say they character has been trying to get stronger or develop a technique, but is unable to find the right trigger to be successful. If they are finally able to muster up their strength and trigger that ability when facing off with the big bad (Say that fear becomes the trigger) then is that Dues Ex Machina?
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Droemar Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
No, that's not Dues Ex Machina. Granted, if it's clumsily handled, it can be accused of being that. But most of the time, what you're talking about works hand-in-hand with the Hero's Journey. The Ordeal is training for the Hero, equipping him with the skills he will need to overcome his ultimate obstacle. Many writers wait until the very last second for the Hero to learn that skill, such as when he's face to face with the Big Bad.
Just don't dedicate fifty pages to him learning how to throw fireballs, and two pages on summoning unicorns, and then have summoning unicorns be what saves him. That still wouldn't be a Dues Ex Machina, but it'd be an asspull no reader would appreciate.
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Twilights-Pain Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2010
Alright then! Thank you very much!
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androidgirl Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
Personally, I don't think you should apologize for the last journal, even in a scathing sarcastic tone. People read your journals for tips. If they cannot handle even agreeing to disagree and never read your tips again, then it's no major loss.

You know, the only way I can think of 1 and 2 being used without leaving readers unsatisfied is if it's for comedy purposes.

As for number 4, I suppose it's true. The series I tend to like the most are the ones with an ending in sight.
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Dragonmagik Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
How could you Droemar!? How could you!? How could you give your biased opinion about the fanfiction fandom!? And on your own blog too! Didn't you stop to think it might hurt an over-stroked ego!? My gosh! Everyone always thinks of themselves! Why doesn't anyone think of me!?
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Your tips on endings are nice too.
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WildGriffin Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Student General Artist
I'm a teenager and I was extremely happy at the ending of Mockingjay (not so much that most of my favorite characters died horribly, but I expected that) since I wasn't reading it for the romance throughout the whole series.

Anti-climatic endings tend to piss me off to the point where I rant for days about the book and how it could have been better. But what's even worse is when nothing has changed after the ending (talking about the Hunger Games again). I don't want all the characters' efforts to be for nothing, damn it. >U
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Droemar Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010
My brother remarked that Catching Fire had Second Death Star syndrome. It bothered him more than it did me, but he made a good point.
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pencilpushup Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2010
Second Death Star syndrome?
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WildGriffin Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2010  Student General Artist
What's Second Death Star syndrome, if I can ask? Never heard that term before.
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