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Originality Whores

Mon May 19, 2008, 5:03 PM
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I'm not one for current events; I'm usually about 3 or 4 weeks behind any major event that happens. Mostly because I lack TV service and don't make a habit out of watching the news. But I read in TIME a quote about J. K. Rowling sueing over someone trying to publish a Harry Potter Encyclopedia and investigated further today. I'm in danger of being all over the place due to choking on outrage, so I will try to keep my bloggery to a few key points.

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I've read numerous articles and blog and forum posts in which people are going after Rowling for being an elitist. Apparently they take her saying "I want my encyclopedia to generate money for charities and this guy will take money out of that pocket" means "Screw all my fans." I'm sorry, what? Did anyone else think up Harry Potter? Did anyone else shed blood, sweat, and tears over it? Harry was Rowling's idea, and she's getting dragged into court because someone else wants to make money off of her idea.

I find it disturbing that fans of my work could someday unite to revolt and overthrow me. It seems to me like the rule is "We love it, so we can do anything we want to it!" Who has more power, the idea or the fans of the idea? And believe me, Rowling has been plenty generous. Considering Anne McCaffrey of the Pern Dragonriders series said "no fan fiction, bitches", to the point that she cracked down on websites with cease and desist orders ... yeah. And in my opinion, McCaffrey and Rowling both have the right to say "Hands off. This is mine." Considering the response to art theft here on DA, the principle of the thing is shared by many, which brings me to my second point.

In the last couple of weeks, I discovered a consensus here on DA that drawing copyrighted characters is actually kind of a lucrative business. You can draw a comic of Link from the Zelda series, ink it, color it, and sell it at a con. And people will buy it, 'cause it's Zelda! And even better, the company won't come after you because what you're really giving them is publicity, and they won't sue you for the $500 of chump change in your pocket.

Does the idea of that feel dirty to anyone else here? Cause I think I'd feel a bit like a whore.

I don't need to tell you that I think people who spend the whole of their artistic talent copying someone else's idea and designs are wasting their time. I find it pathetic. I did NOT SAY that fanart is stupid, because I think reinterpreting someone else's vision as your own is half the fun and appeal of fanart. But there are people who copy and copy, to get those eyes exactly right, or the nose motif perfect, so they can draw just like someone else. And odds are, if they draw a fan piece, and see someone with a similar pose, they'll go after them for art theft! I'd rather see furries having sex than that, and that's really kinda saying something.

It's one thing to pay an homage to something, it's something entirely different to try and make money off of it. The dude who was a fan of Rowling crossed that line. (And that's not to say he's a super-evil dude; the guy's a Christian schoolteacher who cried on the stand. The poor sucker.) I just really hate to see someone who has a better grasp of light, shadow, and composition than me using it to draw a Kingdom Hearts comic. 40 pages long. With color. We are not all ~spacecoyote , people. (And even she did a reinterpretation; her own style landed her the job with Matt Groening.)

Fan fiction is regarded by real authors to lure aspiring writers into a false sense of security. You can have Spock and Kirk make out, and people will love it because "ZOMG, it's Kirk and Spock in a situation I've only dreamed about!" They love it because it is A (wherein A is something they were predisposed to wet their pants over.) It's not you, it's the thing you had nothing to do with creating. I think fanart taken to extremes does the same thing. You really aren't that great, and in the meantime the person who really did the work is missing out on some kudos. You're an originality whore.

We all know such whoring lands lots and lots of pageviews, to the chagrin of all the "real" artists. (You know, dressed in black berets sniffing at anything that's isn't an incomprehensible jumble of abstract shapes on a squiggly background.) I think some (not all) of people think their own ideas stink. All of us go through phases of copying and tracing. I had an unhealthy obsession with The Lion King, Princess Mononoke, Balto, and Spirit, let me tell you. I moved past it. Some people, I think, don't. They think, "I'm so stupid. This turned out so crappy. Let's go back to that picture of Cloud Strife; that turned out good." They stay where it's safe, where their art makes them feel good. And other Philistines make them feel doubly good because they can recognize a Pikachu no matter how badly it's drawn and exclaim, "I can't even draw a straight line, but I recognize this highly marketed commercial denizon! You're awesome!" Whereas the rest of us push on, to where it hurts, and we get the hacks so bad it makes us curl up and contemplate suicide. But we get out of it, and keep going, so that when someone admires our art we know it's all us, not a regurgitation.

I could really get going on some other things, like how I think society takes the role of designers and artists completely for granted, and that imagination is being stifled in our kids, but I'm already working on one novel. I guess the two main points I'm trying to make is that the bread the Little Red Hen baked belongs to her, because she planted and threshed and baked. She gets to say who's allowed to eat it. That goes for Rowling, too; I'd say that even if she was a money-grubbing witch laughing manically atop a pile of starving babies. (But she's not; she's giving to charity.) Co-opting an idea doesn't make it yours, no matter how much you love it. You can love a dog as much as you want, but if you don't respect it and give it boundaries, it's still going to bite you.

Think about the people behind A. Look them up. What was their process like? Their inspiration? Their technique? People love the icons but they never stop and think about the artist(s) behind them and what it took to get them there. I want to be published someday, and beloved by millions, but I don't think I've quite grasped how I'm going to react if people start writing my characters in slash fic. I think I'll be hunting for a few cease and desist orders of my own. For those of you who have suffered art theft (and take offense to it), you know exactly how that feels. Ideas are not thing to be taken lightly, or for granted. There are some bad ones out there, I'll admit. (Twilight and Eragon, anyone? Actually, half their problem is that they copied previous ideas and did it badly.) But ideas are treated like something somehow less important than the money or the marketing used to bring them to fruition. You wouldn't have the thing in the first place without the idea!

So stop pimping for Poke'mon, or whoever. Go out and make something that hasn't been there before. It'll make us all a lot happier.

So let it be done.

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D8 True, fanart gets a help of a lot of pageviews, because being orginal means that people have nothing to compare your art to. And stuff. It's also really hard to get anyone to find your art in a serach if it is original. The only thing that gets more pageviews that fanart is porn. 8<

Good luck to all the original artists out there!

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I want to write an essay on how I agree with you, but alas, it is 1am.

I applaud you instead <3
Amen. I agree with everything you just said. If someone tried to steal something of mine, one of my characters, or the world that I create in my mind for them, I would be devastated. J.K. Rowling has spent months and years working on her world, and its unfair to have someone who just read the books and picked through them to make money off her hard work.

Its kind of sad how originality is going down the drain. Society doesn't do much to say that copying isn't right. It almost says the opposite.
Somewhat on topic, but I find it much more disturbing when an artist or writer will become SO obsessed with a fictional character (pre-existing- from a movie, comic, anime, whatever) that they revolve their entire lives around said character. Not the actor, the actual character. Surely, they could pour their time into something different? Something their own? I don't have anything against fanfiction writers or artists who draw fanart, but when it takes over everything they create and to the point of their lives... it really makes you wonder.

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I tried to roleplay Pern for a couple months earlier this year, but then I realized that what little creative effort I had was going into something completely useless in the long run.

I agree with you all the way- I'll draw fan art of someone else's character as a gift for them, but I don't think it's right to make money off another's character. Link was once someone's personal idea, as were Zuko, Cloud, Naruto, the entire Bleach cast, etc. If someone randomly started selling prints of my characters, I'd throw a fit.

Another interesting idea... how many of us, who will happily have a website shut down for using a few of our pictures, burn, rip and share music and movies? Isn't that also theft of someone's personal work?

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lol calm down, this stuff has been going on for ages. Where did J.K. Rowling get the idea for witches and wizards and all that jazz? From some where else I reckon.

What happens is people go round doing fan art or whatever and no one cares until it gets big enough then the copy right laws etc. smack them down. It's like the circle of life, but with out the singing antelopes.
Well, the idea of witches and wizards comes from mythology that spans cultures all across the world. That's completely different than this situation with the Potter encyclopedia. Witches, wizards, and magic have been early mankind's explanation for explaining what they couldn't understand scientifically. The concepts of those things didn't stem from a single person's creativity.

And I don't think she's knocking on fanart as a whole. I mean, we all have to start drawing SOMEWHERE, and that somewhere is usually copying other peoples' styles. Fanart is really a place for learning early on. But that's what it should only be: learning. When people start selling their fanart pieces, then they're (either conciously or unconciously) selling someone else's idea without permission. Droemar is commenting on people who do solely fanart and don't try to move past that to their own ideas and style, not the concept of fanart as a whole.

I'm not attacking you or anything, I'm just making a point.

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All that is gold does not glitter,
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The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by frost.

~JRR Tolkien
Great thoughts. I love how your stuff just makes sense. The passion is palpable. I really admire your "rants". I almost didn't read this journal; "Originality Whores"...?... But I saw it was by you, and decided to let you explain yourself. You did so very well. I knew about the HP issue, and the art one, though I haven't experienced it personally.

The Twighlight/Eragon mention made me laugh. A friend of mine read Twilight, and they're currently being circulated around the school among her friends on a waiting-list. I've been thinking about reading them (even though they're probably girly books), but your review/intelligent ripping-apart of it, and seeing the movie preview (totally the next Eragon mess), nixed that idea.
It's strange to think that we're still waiting for the 3rd Eragon (Brisignr, I think), which I will read and enjoy, for what it's worth.

"I'd rather see furries having sex than that, and that's really kinda saying something." Priceless.

Pearl Eden often talks about art-style copying. She's really good at it, but doesn't love it. She has a lot of great styles of her own, after all. Others copy her, too.

P.S. great book you're reading there. Wanna spoiler?!? Jk. (Is it your first time reading it?)That'll be a nice refresher after silly dragon books like Eragon. It's a great series; can't wait for the 5th book this September. It's like Anne McCaffrey's dragons plus Patrick O'Brian's naval novels. Greatly original and highly historical, it exceeded my expectations, and got nominated for a Hugo. Seriously, there's so much great info, with many layers of character, story, and setting. The old, old world becomes understandable and real. I'll shut up now and let you read.

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My new favorite game is "Find the Eragon reference in Droemar's Journals." xD

Anyway, I totally agree with this -- the reaction of Rowling's fans surprised me a lot. I was expecting people to start an all-out 'HATE THE COPY-CAT' flame war, but they turned on the author herself. That really weirded me out.

I wouldn't let someone sell books about my characters for profit -- especially if the money I myself was making was going to something like charity.

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